Thursday, September 06, 2007

Sugar

Well, the GI specialist's nurse finally returned my call after I left several messages over the course of the last 3 weeks.

At first she thought I was asking about allergy issues, which frustrated me because I had already clarified several times that the issues E is having with fruits do NOT seem to be allergy-related and that the allergist can't help us with them. She said that if we suspected a problem with a sugar other than lactose, we should take Baby E off all sugars for a month and then gradually add them back in one at a time to see what she can tolerate. She started listing off things like corn syrup, table sugar, etc. that I needed to remove from E's diet.

I told the nurse that Baby E has been off of all that stuff (especially the corn syrup) already, and that it's pretty obvious that the amount of sugar in fruits, vegetables and probably whole wheat is enough to give her problems. This is a kid who gets sweet-smelling diarrhea from 4 blackberries, not a kid who is having problems from being fed sugar-laced drinks or sweet breakfast cereal. I really wish these people would listen and pay attention to what I've been trying to tell them all these months.

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I asked if we needed to take E completely off all sugars for a month. Fruits, vegetables and starches all contain sugars of some sort. I told the nurse that if we're really going to take her off ALL fructose, sucrose and maltose, including fruits/vegetables/grains, I need someone to give me a list of what we CAN feed E. I'm not about to try to do that with no guidance.

The nurse said she didn't know, and she'd make a note that I had more questions and would have the GI specialist call me. That was several days ago, and I haven't heard back yet.

I'd hate to just indiscrinimately remove all fruits, vegetables and starches from Baby E's diet for that long. Taking something like corn out of her diet isn't going to nutritionally compromise her, but taking out everything with any kind of sucrose or fructose in it certainly will. I think she would essentially be left with nothing but meat and dairy products to eat--not a complete diet by any means, especially considering that breastmilk, butter and yogurt are the only dairy products she really eats.

A number of people have suggested to me that we take E off refined sugars, which is rather humorous because she's really never been on refined sugars in the first place.

Baby E has had very little refined sugar in her lifetime. Mostly it's been lots of whole grains (mainly brown rice), fresh fruits and vegetables, and local additive-free meats. Because of the corn issue she can't have pretty much anything bleached, enriched or refined.

Also, she just has never really liked most sweet things. She'll eat fruit, but anything like cookies or cakes that I've made--even corn-free--she's mostly taken one nibble and refused to eat any more. For the most part she wouldn't touch anything with maple syrup, agave nectar or stevia in it. Anything sweetened (mostly baked goods for special occasions) was made with honey or brown rice syrup. I'd very occasionally make something with a little brown sugar in it, but E usually wouldn't eat it.

She greatly prefers most food unadulterated with sweeteners or other flavorings. She eats things like pancakes, waffles and muffins made with no sweetener and eaten plain with maybe a little butter.

Her "treats" were almost always plain whole fruit. That usually ended up with her being uncomfortable afterwards. So now we usually give her things like potato chips or rice crackers when we want to give her a special treat.

We used to occasionally give her a piece or two of Panda Licorice (made of whole wheat and molasses--about 1 gram of sugar per piece), but we were mostly using that as an incentive to get her to take her medicine when she was taking the Omeprazole months ago. I can't remember the last time we gave her licorice.

We have very occasionally given her one Yummy Earth lollipop (organic, made with unrefined sugar and no artificial colors or flavors--less than 6 grams of sugar) on special occasions. These are usually situations where she is watching other kids eat a lot of special treats that she can't have. I haven't given her any lollipops for a while because she complains of tummyaches after eating them.

Other than that, any sugar in her diet has been mostly in the form of organic fruits and vegetables.

I have given her small amounts of sugar 4 or 5 times in the last month or two, trying to test whether sucrose bothers her or if it's just fructose.

Cake made with whole wheat and brown sugar gave her problems, but I don't know if that was from the wheat, the sugar or both. So I've resorted to feeding her sugar cubes made of pure cane sugar in a brand I know to be corn-free. It feels so strange giving my baby sugar cubes. It's the kind of thing I wouldn't normally do. But it's the only way I know to reliably test whether she can handle sucrose or not.

Sucrose tolerance seems to be the key to differentiating between ordinary fructose malabsorption and the more serious hereditary forms of sugar intolerance. People with fructose malabsorption supposedly should be able to tolerate moderate amounts of sucrose, while people with the other conditions cannot.

I've discovered that 4 grams (1 teaspoon) of sucrose doesn't give her any noticeable symptoms but may make her a bit grumpy, 6-8 grams (1.5 to 2 teaspoons) gives her a tummy ache, and 12 grams (3 teaspoons) is enough to give her mild diarrhea.

When we are trialing sugar, E gets no fruit other than the few tablespoons of additive-free orange juice we use to flavor her thickened water and the teaspoon of black cherry juice she gets with her medicine. We haven't yet figured out how to get her to drink those things without adding juice. This week she's not getting the medicine because we're getting ready to do the corn challenge with the allergist, so it's just the tiny amount of orange juice. I've been trying to get her to drink just plain thickened water, but so far that isn't working very well. Maybe I should try pumping some milk to mix with it instead of the juice.

We also have her off wheat and any vegetables that are high in fructans or other sugars. At the moment she gets no fruit except the juice flavoring her thickened water, and whatever we're trialing that day.

That means that Baby E is basically eating meat, eggs, plain yogurt, rice (cereal/crackers/cooked rice), seaweed (I even found seaweed nodles that don't taste like seaweed), 100% rye sourdough bread (though she doesn't eat much of that), tapioca (as bread and to thicken her beverages), small amounts of rice or soy milk (in cooking or on her rice cereal), potatoes and low-sugar vegetables (no tomatoes, onions, etc). She's still nursing a lot, too.

If she's not already having GI symptoms that day and has fully recovered from the last trial, she also gets a small amount of whatever we're trialing--which might be a carefully measured amount of a particular fruit, or something like that.

Her symptoms usually begin within a few minutes or an hour of consuming the food, so I don't think we're looking at delayed allergies. She doesn't seem to have other symptoms or a clinical picture pointing to candida either (although she certainly could end up with a Candida overgrowth as a secondary issue, I'm guessing, since she doesn't seem to digest sugars).

We have to remember that she has had stool tests positive for reducing substances. I'm no expert, but my understanding is that the positive reducing substances test means that she is not digesting a sugar. I don't think that test result could be caused by allergies or candida--I think it has to be a sugar malabsorption issue.

Some type of sugar malabsorption certainly seems to be the best fit for the data so far.

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13 Comments:

Blogger Liz Miller said...

Holy guacamole.

So, do they think that perhaps she's lacking an enzyme to break down sugars? Or is it that once broken down, she's not absorbing them?

6:53 PM  
Blogger purple_kangaroo said...

Liz, the whole area of sugar intolerance/malabsorption, other than lactose intolerance, seems to be a rather new and not well-known or well-understood area of study.

So far it seems that the GI specialist just thinks that sugar causes fluid retention, and so sugar in the bowels is going to cause diarrhea. Solution: just stop eating sugar. Seems simple, doesn't it?

I haven't been able to actually talk to her about the possibility of fructose malabsorption, fructose intolerance or sucrose intolerance because the office is so flaky. I may end up having to just make an appointment and pay the fee for a specialist office visit in order to find out whether she wants to look into this possibility or not.

Basically, if it's a sucrose/isomaltose issue (apparently one genetic defect affects both sucrase and isomaltase enzymes) then it would be the lack of an enzyme to break down sugar. If it's a fructose issue, it would be the inability to absorb the sugar.

With fructose malabsorption, glucose somehow assists in the absorption of the fructose, so anything with as much as or more glucose than fructose should be fine. Sucrose is equal parts fructose and glucose bonded together.

Sucrose is a problem with both Hereditary Fructose Intolerance and Congenital Sucrase-Isomaltase Deficiency, but for different reasons.

With CSID it's because the person lacks the enzyme to break down the sugar.

With HFI, it's because the person can break a sucrose molecule apart into glucose and fructose, but then can't absorb the fructose (apparently it has to do with a lack or malfunction of a certain protein, but I don't really understand the mechanics of it).

Of course, it's possible there's something else completely going on. I really won't know until I can get a GI specialist to actually interact with my theories and tell me whether they make sense or not.

8:18 PM  
Blogger purple_kangaroo said...

There's also something called Toddler's Diarrhea, which is when a kid just gets random diarrhea for no apparent reason. (Although now they're finding out it's often linked to fructose or another type of sugar malabsorption.) Basically IBS in toddlers. They usually grow out of it, supposedly. But since myself and both of my sisters also have IBS-type issues and both of my older girls (more M&M than AJ) get frequent stomachaches and diarrhea, I think there has to be something more going on here. Especially since we seem to be able to make the diarrhea come and go by changing what we're feeding her--which means it's no longer random or unexplained.

8:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well malabsorption of all kinds and candida go hand in hand so the direction you are moving in makes sense. It is frustrating when you are dealing with traditional medical personnel. They hear hoofbeats and think horse. Great for 90% of people but not the 10% who are dealing with a zebra. I hope you and Baby E find your answers soon.

9:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well how unexpected! It looks like me and baby E would make perfect picnic partners.
Best wishes

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

katia here

have you tried taking away orange juice. I can't drink or eat oranges. maybe you could just take away the fruits and veggies that are harder to digest. goodluck

Kathy

8:15 PM  
Blogger Amy said...

Oy. Sorry about having to deal with medical office workers who don't seem to get it. Again. At least you are getting a better idea of what this problem is NOT, even if there is still confusion about what exactly it is.

I also had one other thought about the sugar cubes, which may be completely unhelpful, but here it is: Is is possible that with the pure sugar she could be getting a tummy ache just from so much sugar? I'm not sure how much she weighs, but is it possible that a tablespoon of sugar is enough to simply make her feel a bit yucky because all she's had to eat is the sugar?

Also sending my continued prayers!

12:38 AM  
Blogger purple_kangaroo said...

Tara, thanks . . . we did see the naturopath today and talked about sugar intolerance and candida, and how they may be related or one may be mistaken for the other. I'll post more about that later.

Mcewen, do you have problems with sugar intolerance? I can't remember from your blog. I'd love to hear how someone else manages it.

Katia, I am trying to figure out a way to get rid of the juice. Orange juice is the one of all the juices we've tried that she tolerates the best, but we were able to verify today that it does seem to cause symptoms also, though milder. I'm trying to find a way to get her to drink plain water without aspirating or choking on it--easier said than done.

Amy, thanks. I did give her the sugar cubes with a meal--she wasn't eating them on an empty stomach.

12:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Katia here

Have you refered her to peep.(an early intervention program) Are there therapist that work with such things. I wonder if someone could help her drink water. What have you tried. Have you tried a dropper. My daughter spits back water when I feed her from a cup but if I put a bottle in her mouth and squeeze it (she won't suck it) then she swallows. Have you tried a dropper. Maybe if you just give her drops at a time she will not choke. This is all I can think of for now good luck

Kathy

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Katia again

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She has so much good advise and she is soo kind anyways just thought I'd pass that on

Kathy

10:15 AM  
Blogger purple_kangaroo said...

Kathy, thanks so much for your thoughtful comments and suggestions. We are seeing a speech and swallowing therapist for Baby E. Right now we're thickening her beverages, and I think the idea is to gradually reduce the thickener. The aspiration is probably connected with her reflux and the hope is that when the reflux gets resolved the aspiration will go away, too. It is improving.

I will check out the website you mentioned . . . thank you!

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Try this site for the diet restrictions if you haven't already found out.
http://john.toebes.com/diet.htm
My son has severe gastro problems and has even been FTT in the past. I have always known that he could not tolerate fruit, but did not think much of it. What can he eat? Then I stumbled onto this and what do you know, the only three foods I know he can eat are listed as having acceptable sugars (chocolate Cliff bars, Ensure and CranRaisins) We are starting this tonight and pray it works!

3:54 PM  
Blogger shashank said...

Here is a link to more information about the genetics of Congenital Sucrase-Isomaltase Deficiency that was prepared by our genetic counselor and which has links to some useful resources for those dealing with this condition: http://www.accessdna.com/condition/Congenital_Sucrase-Isomaltase_Deficiency/691. There is also a phone number listed if you need to speak to a genetic counselor by phone. I hope it helps. Thanks, AccessDNA

8:03 AM  

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